We chat to Louise Perold about testing as a means to improve the overall quality of software, and the upcoming Let's Test conference Kenneth & Len chat to Louise Perold about the art & practice of software testing. Louise reframes testing in a wonderful light, and how testers compliment and support the existing software development efforts. There are many things that simply cannot be tested reliably with automated techniques, and we explore why. Louise has been helping teams write better software since the early 2000's, and is continuing on that journey today with her new consultancy and yearly conference. Louise is one of the proud members of [House of Test](https://www.houseoftest.rocks/en/), along with [Oz Chihwayi](/51). Louise is also one of the organisers of the local [Let's Test](http://lets-test.com/?page_id=5283) conference. Just a few of the tips offered by Louise for developers working with testers: * Talk, talk, talk * Testers can help clarify your thoughts on design, and help identify where the risks can be * Don't give a checklist of instructions, those are the tests that can be automated Louise definitely gave us a lot to think about, and we hope you feel the same way after the show. Find and follow Louise online: * https://twitter.com/lperold * https://www.houseoftest.rocks/en/rebels/louise-perold/ * https://za.linkedin.com/in/louise-perold-1947528 Here are some resources mentioned in the show: * Who Still Needs a Tester? - https://zadevchat.io/51 * Context Driven Testing - http://context-driven-testing.com/ * ISTQB - http://www.istqb.org/ * The Psychology of Computer Programming - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1660754.The_Psychology_of_Computer_Programming * Black Box Software Testing Courses - https://www.associationforsoftwaretesting.org/courses/ * K-Cards - http://testingthoughts.com/blog/26 * Joburg Software Testers Meetup - https://www.meetup.com/preview/Joburg-Software-Testers2 * Cape Town Testing Meetup - https://www.meetup.com/preview/cape-town-testing-meetup And finally our picks Louise: * Quality Software book bundle by Gerald M Weinberg - https://leanpub.com/b/qualitysoftware Len: * NVIDIA DGX Station - https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/dgx-station/ Kenneth: * A Short History of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21.A_Short_History_of_Nearly_Everything Thanks for listening! Stay in touch: * Website & newsletter - https://zadevchat.io * Socialize - https://twitter.com/zadevchat & http://facebook.com/ZADevChat/ * Suggestions and feedback - https://github.com/zadevchat/ping * Subscribe and rate in iTunes - http://bit.ly/zadevchat-itunes