Ollie and Dave discuss the recent activity around Apple's open source Swift project, including Android support. We also compare Swift with other programming language newcomers Rust and Kotlin. Show notes: Android support for Swift pull request: https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/1442 Swift package manager: https://github.com/apple/swift-package-manager Rust language homepage: https://www.rust-lang.org 23 and Me: https://www.23andme.com