Kathryn and Emma discuss season 4, episode 2, “Ron and Tammys”. They debate whether Ron’s dramatic change is weakness or simply a case of “revertigo”, scoff at the fictional finances of Entertainment 720, and praise the reliable hilarity of drunk Leslie Knope. Plus, Hope Kwiatkowski, a postgraduate law fellow at the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights joins us to discuss her addition to the Wall of Inspirational Women: human rights lawyer and co-founder of Earth Rights International, Katie Redford.