Loyal Rue, professor emeritus of Luther College in Decorah Iowa, published his second book, By the Grace of Guile: The Role of Deception in Natural History and Human Affairs, in 1994. In August 2014, Connie Barlow and Michael Dowd conversed with Loyal about this book. This is the second episode in what will become a 5-part series in the "Inspiring Naturalism" podcast. View this interview in VIDEO format on youtube: Loyal Rue pt 2: By the Grace of Guile.Theme song "Poetry of Reality" courtesy Symphony of Science.