How can scenario planning and stories help leaders to think about the future, plan for it, and invest to mitigate risk? In this episode Jonathan and DJ talk with Jesse Goldhammer, Managing Director of Deloitte’s West Coast Cybersecurity practice and one of the world’s leading scenario thinkers, about the role of scenarios and futures thinking in cybersecurity and national security planning. Scenario planning began as a practice in the 1970s with Royal Dutch Shell following the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Companies (OPEC) crisis that caught oil companies off-guard. After the market was disrupted, Shell began to invest in scenarios to get ahead of future risks -- and companies and governments have adopted the practice ever since, using scenarios to think about everything from technology adoption to cybersecurity to the future of work to the nature of warfare. Additional Reading Peter Schwartz, The Art of the Long View: Planning for the Future in an Uncertain World, Crown Business Report, 1996, https://www.amazon.com/Art-Long-View-Planning-Uncertain/dp/0385267320 Jesse Goldhammer, The Headless Republic: Sacrificial Violence in Modern French Thought, Cornell University Press, 2005, http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/?GCOI=80140100618060 UC Berkeley Center for Long-Term Cybersecurity, Cybersecurity Futures 2025, spring, 2019, https://cltc.berkeley.edu/scenarios2025/