Could COVID-19 be the new terrorism? Arjun talks to Elaine Pearce, Director of Human Rights Watch Australia, and Ben Wizner, Director of ACLU's Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project. They discuss data collection and surveillance in the new era of COVID-19. https://www.aclu.org/report/aclu-white-paper-limits-location-tracking-epidemic https://www.aclu.org/report/aclu-white-paper-principles-technology-assisted-contact-tracing