Leading learning technology innovator Dr David Kellermann is a Senior Lecturer in Engineering at UNSW in Sydney. He joins Martin and Karl to share his thoughts on the journey he believes all universities must take towards a new hybrid learning model of teaching. As a pioneer of learning technology and innovation he was well prepared for the acceleration in this in 2020 and applied his commitment to equitable access for all students in doing this well. He fears many other academics were less well prepared for this change and remain so. He believes there is more that universities can do to support staff in 2021 and beyond to transition to become skilled in engaging and communicating with students in learning with technology. He believes more investment is required to make this happen but that the biggest barrier is a lack of leadership and vision. He calls for more universities and leaders to see this as an opportunity rather than a challenge.