In this Lightbend podcast with Kiki Carter, Lead Developer Experience Engineer, and Hugh McKee, Developer Advocate for Akka Platform, we take a look at work. Namely, how much time should software engineers give to working on something that we don’t like, aren’t especially good at, or would otherwise avoid in favor of other more interesting topics? Industry trends indicate that the less we developers need to mess with Kubernetes and other cloud based entities like databases and load balancers, the better off we all are. Today we’ll talk about why developers feel this way, what technologies are out there to help, and how to think about what we might outsource in terms of operations, deployment and management of our cloud-based systems.