Karlie Noon is the first Indigenous student to obtain a Masters of Astronomy and Advanced Astrophysics, and is currently doing a PhD in Astronomy at the Australian National University. Corey Tutt is the CEO of Deadly Science, a charity that provides science books and early reading material to remote schools in Australia. Our Cosmic hosts have accomplished STEMM careers. But the path to their success was littered with obstacles. Presenters: Karlie Noon, Corey Tutt Producer: Ivy Shih Executive Producer: Joel Werner Sound engineer: Simon Branthwaite Podcast tile art by Molly Hunt