Adam talks with British fashion stylist, writer and social commentator Ayishat Akanbi about the life-changing epiphany that led to her wanting to change the tone of the conversation around social justice and the 'Culture Wars'.Plus, in the outro, a listener response to the Werner Herzog episode and Adam solves a few mysteries from the Christmas podcast.The conversation with Ayishat was recorded face-to-face in London on 28th August, 2023.Thanks to Séamus Murphy-Mitchell for production support and conversation editing.Podcast artwork by Helen GreenJON RONSON - THINGS FELL APART - 2024 (BBC SOUNDS)RELATED LINKSAYISHAT AKANBI - THE PROBLEM WITH WOKENESS (DOUBLE DOWN NEWS) - 2018 (YOUTUBE)EMPATHY IN BLACK AND WHITE FROM THE US TO THE UK (AYISHAT AKANBI AND JOHN WOOD JR.) - 2020 (YOUTUBE)IDENTITY AND EMPATHY (AYISHAT TALKS TO DAVE FULLER OF REBEL WISDOM) - 2020 (YOUTUBE)AYISHAT AKANBI - GUARDIAN INTERVIEW - 2019 (GUARDIAN)AYISHAT AKANBI - V&A INTERVIEW - 2016 (V&A WEBSITE)AYISHAT AKANBI - THE PROBLEM WITH CANCEL CULTURE (DOUBLE DOWN NEWS) - 2020 (YOUTUBE)A HISTORY OF WOKENESS by Aja Romano - 2020 (VOX WEBSITE)THE MYSTICAL POEMS OF RUMI (RUMI.ORG)AMERICAN FICTION (TRAILER) - 2024 (YOUTUBE) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.