This podcast episode features Jin Xue of the Norwegian University of Life Sciences in conversation with Mona Fawaz and Yvonne Rydin about her article “A critical realist theory of ideology: Promoting planning as a vanguard of societal transformation”. This paper was nominated in 2023 by the journal Planning Theory for the AESOP Best Paper Prize. See: A critical realist theory of ideology: Promoting planning as a vanguard of societal transformation.