In this episode the conversation delves into the dynamic world of hybrid cloud computing. Daniel Apps, Microsoft MVP from Australia, shares insights into the turbulent yet exciting industry, emphasizing the importance of navigating the perils of cloud life. The discussion covers the recent upheavals in the VMware landscape, the implications for organizations at various stages of cloud integration, and the broader impact on the industry. The episode also touches on the evolving nature of virtualization, the shift towards containerized applications, and the quest for a unified ecosystem. Amidst this technological transition, the dialogue also reflects on the changing roles of IT teams, the push towards modernization, and the balance between innovation and maintaining legacy systems.